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about campaign finance, and they took place in a world where someone like bob dole was the republican leader. and he was interested in making sure republicans didn't get a bad deal, but he was not opposed to the idea of reform or legislation. in today's world with mitch mcconnell as the senate leader, you know, he has spent years opposing legislation in this area and seeking to shut down the regulation we have. it is at least partially because of senator, maybe largely because of senator mcconnell that we have an sec that is deadlocked 3-3 and unable to take any action because it takes four votes. talk about a super majority requirement, a two-thirds requirement for the sec to do anything, so we shouldn't be surprised they don't. having said that, i think there really is a change on the way congress looks at this on partisan lines. i still hold out hope that after the election in a new congress they will at least take a look at the disclosure side because there the supreme court was crystal clear in citizens united 8-1, the one part the minority joined in, saying that disclosure of al
first at the nsa. >> how often are you talking to general alexander and bob muller at the fbi? is it sort of an ongoing process right now? >> it's ongoing, but the three of us do get together, and -- because we're building here. i mean, this is kind of a new way to look at this new and is evolving threat to national security. and so we have to kind of get out of thinking, thinking analog and think digital. i mean, we have to really move and really think of government institutions and how best they organize themselves. >> we're going the take questions from the audience which you're going to be writing down on index cards, but as we're waiting for those, i want to also get into the domain of cyber war fair, if you want to call it that. i know a lot of people don't like that term, but there was a senior nsa official, deborah plunkett at nsa, gave a talk in which she said something extraordinary, she said we're starting to see nation-state resources and expertise employed in cyber in ways we would characterize as reckless and disruptive behaviors x. what she was alluding to was o
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